Two weeks ago I noted how the proposal to change the preferred use of Lein Amlwch to a railway had been passed in a Full Council meeting with only one dissenting voice. I may think that Cllr Fflur Hughes was wrong to vote against the motion, but at least she had the courage of her convictions to stand her ground and clearly state her reasons.
What, therefore, are we to make of the fact that the councillor for Amlwch Rural -- a region likely to benefit greatly if Lein Amlwch was to re-open -- purposely left the council chamber before the vote? Gareth Winston Roberts claims that he is all for the reopening of the line but that he had other meetings to attend. Amlwch residents would be entitled to wonder what meetings are more important than the full council meetings he is paid to attend as their representative -- especially when such an important development to Amlwch's economic future is being debated?
It is also a fact that in addition to Gareth Winston Roberts, both of the other two members of his Anglesey Forward grouping also left the council chamber before the vote, namely Derlwyn Hughes (Moelfre) and William T Hughes (Llanbadrig). I have noted before that fully two out of the three Anglesey Forward councillors were returned unopposed at the last local elections, and that Anglesey Forward is now the only council grouping not to have responded in any way whatsoever to the People's Manifesto put together by commenters on this blog. It has become increasingly apparent to me that 'Anglesey Forward' has more of a whiff of thinking itself beyond democratic accountability.
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“Or maybe the bus company will see that there are less passengers on Amlwch services and therefore amend the routes and have the driver service other towns without a rail link instead? You seem to smugly feel that you can see what others cannot, in reality you don't seem to have much of clue.
So what you are really saying is that Lewis y Llan will try avoiding picking up passengers between Holyhead and Amlwch (or Amlwch to Holyhead) just in case they want to go from Amlwch to Bangor (if that is eventually possible), or Holyhead to Bangor.
Route 61 check it out, can I humbly suggest you haven’t much clue yourself!!!
You just don't get this at all do you webmaster-316. You seem to have no grasp of basic ecoonomics (you're noit a councillor by any chance?)
If you build the rail link it won't only split the existing customer base between the bus service and itself. It will attract more people to use both. It will allow people who are currently unemployed in Amlwch to compete for jobs further away.
Now write this down if you need to so you have notes to refer to because you sure as hell can't grasp it. Unemployment in the Amlwch region is very high particularly amongst the young. There are few jobs locally and the jobs further away are only low paying ones. They are already unemployed so don't own cars. The jobs further away don't pay enough for them to buy and run cars. Therefore they need transportation. The bus service is abysmal. The railway will 'open up' access to and from Amlwch. A known economic fact - improve transport infrastructure and the economy all along the route improves because of the increase in opportunities and the improvement of access.
This is the last time I will speak to you on this subject or any other.
You are a clown and seemingly as thick as pigshit. It appears that you were only attracted here because the Druid won the award - your actual input has spoanned laughable to pathetic and that's it.
Hey Druid,
How about a readers poll to guess the age of webmaster_316?
Anon @ 20:14
"Or maybe the bus company will see that there are less passengers on Amlwch services and therefore amend the routes and have the driver service other towns without a rail link instead?" Don't they do that now ? How often do you use buses ? I thought Angelsey had quite a good bus service ? if it's not good enough for you perhaps you should contact them to amen their routs around your schedule
"you seem to smugly feel that you can see what others cannot, in reality you don't seem to have much of clue" I don't "seem to smugly feel" anything , I know I can see what you and 1 or 2 others cannot see , sorry that sound smug...... what you and 1 or 2 others will NOT entertain ! you don't like someone coming in to your little boys club disagreeing with your blinkered train (no pun intended) of thought . YOU are so smug you think you have the right to talk down to other people you don't even know how ill mannered , try talking TO people rather that AT them and try sharing a thought/opinion/point of view rather than trying to shove it down folks throats . Don't get too up your self , remember your on the internet , your no better than me or the next person ..... no worse either !
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)
Rumour has it that webmaster_316 is the blog manifestation of the Annoying Orange, (as featured on U-Tube).
Multiple identical spam posts by 'webmaster' have been deleted.
Sorry druid The posts did not show up here , that's why they were re-posted , not spaming !
redflag once again you are showing what to much alleged intelligence can do to a persons ego , just because you can not see things from someone else's point of view you go off in one , steady on old chap your overdue a coronary !
Good one puck , another yes-man who doesn't like a difference of opinion ?
cheers webmaster_316 ;-)
sorry again druid forgot to sign the last one !
LOL @ anon 22:38
Great stuff guys!
Bogbrush
Still waiting for an answer to my question directed at the Webmaster_316 which was:
“What ideas do they have which would help improve the ‘Region’ especially Amlwch, or Amlwch Rural.”
They as in he/she whatever
“What ideas do they (They as in he/she whatever) have which would help improve the ‘Region’ especially Amlwch, or Amlwch Rural.”
What are you on about ? (my 6 year old can ask things clearer than that ! LOL)
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)
Thank you webmaster_316 for your kind answer.
I see now exactly what I am dealing with, it’s still fun by the way, I can carry on as long as you want, it’s fun seeing what abuse you can come up with next, I have nothing better to do.
You see I really do not care, but I think you do, is this really the best you can do, go on try again, try harder so we can all have a laugh.
Breaking news:
Soon this post may break all records as the most popular posts on the Druids blog and all thanks to Webmaster_316.
Just to remind you I made the first comment, which was
“Druid on this one you are totally right, I know the reason why, but that’s old history, that does not matter now. What is important is that the railway line reopens and we all benefit.
I leave on a simple message, if GWR thinks he can take credit in anyway for anything associated with the railway he is very much mistaken. We may be willing to move on, but we shall never forget.”
Now I wonder what Webmaster_316 has to say about that?
another anon and me , I'm not taking the pee , not even trying to , if I was you'd know about it , we could have a hoot ! lol . I'm still trying to get used to the hostility on here lol . I genuinely don't understand your question or even were it's coming from , only just notice your other 2 post (above redflag) . Thanks for pointing out the bus route to anon 22:14 . to be honest I'm still laughing at redflags rant , love it when someone loses it on the internet , he doesn't know if he's just insulted an OAP or a school child (male or female) lol , still if that's how some people get off that's up to them........just funny when you read it lol .
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)
Right , I've been a bit slow here lol , you guys post crap in hope to provoke a response just to keep topics up ?.....and this is award winning stuff ? WOW cool , ratings by deceit !!!!!! if this is they way you work , I'm gone . Thanks for the info "another anon and me" chow for now , you've been owned , webmaster_316 ;-)
To late, far to late, you seem to have missed the point rather, missed the point completely, is this the best you can really do, is this what you are all about – no solutions just abuse. You see did I just not say I do not care what you think, of course I’ll keep replying its fun, I like fun.
We shall miss the considered response of webmaster_316 who is gone apparently, who I am I going to talk to now – oh look a spider hello spider….
would love to stay around but now I and the rest of the www. who read this now know what your really about through your own admission , it's been a hoot .
Award winning stuff for sure LMAO ;-))))))
316 x
Hello it's back....
So webmaster_316 what's the matter not going to play no more oh what a shame.
Don’t move spider it may go away for ever…..
On the subject of awards, could we not award our friend webmaster 316 the title of TROLL OF THE YEAR? I think many on this thread have fallen into the trap he has laid by taking his bait like big fat trouts and responding thereby going completely off thread. This particular troll is best left ignored and isolated.
I would like to point out that the comment made at 11:13 in my name was NOT posted by me, it appears that the troll known as webmaster 316 is not content in merely disrupting a blog with his inane myopic comments but he is now impersonating other posters. Time to get a life boy!
Groundhog day - I have deleted the 'fake' post. If 'webmaster' is indeed responsible then I will be immediately deleting any or all of his posts from now on.
Surly after the announcement yesterday from Westminster we should be concentrating on trying to keep employment on Ynys Môn particularly as the majority of those jobs being cut are in the public sector and the highest employer on Ynys Môn is the County Council, so let’s forget about spending public money on a railway line (for these railway enthusiasts who are kicking up a fuss) and concentrate on safeguarding employment on Ynys Môn!!
anon 12:40. That's a bit of an @after the horse has bolted' argument. The cuts have been announced. They will happen. Public sector jobs (including the council) will be lost. That is not defeatist, that is reality.
The railway line will use up very little if any of Ynys Mon's budget at all. The rail companies still own the track and it is they that will have to restore it to working order.
How much of Ynys Mon's money will be used as opposed to WAG grant-in-aid money that if it wasn't spent on the line would be re-allocated elsewhere in Wales for other things and not spent here.
Because in effect it is an isolated line it will need local employees to run it - job creation. It will encourage movement of people and as a result the spread of money. There will be no job creation on this island without investment. Consider the line an investment with that aim.
G-D:
"After all there is no fear of reprisal if what is stated is true and without abuse."
Tell that to guy who wrote 'Gomorrah'
anon 21.30 "more trustworthy if not quieter" you can't be from Amlwch ! lol
Comment made at 09:52 deleted for making allegations against a named person. I will allow the rest of his/her comment however, see below:
"This has been a interesting thread to follow, It raises some interesting points along with a smattering of ranting and raving.
I think the chance of a railway coming to Amlwch is worth exploring for the benefits it may bring from a tourist aspect, I believe it would run with a very restricted timetable which may preclude it being used for commuting to and from work, but this is something that can be explored at a later date.
Other areas in the UK that operate a train seem to benefit greatly from tourism, we live in a beautiful area, that has not be developed anyway near its full tourist potential.
What concerns me tho is the behaviour of this council over the years gone by that has been left unchecked, we are all spouting hot air that we don’t like it and making some claims as to the integrity of the councillors, but what have any of us really ever done? Yes this site serves to show failings but it is by and large anonymous and the people making the statements can do so with impunity, the point I am trying to make (badly) is that unless we stand up and be counted and by that put our names to documents put our heads above that parapet and more importantly challenge the incumbent councillor at the next election then nothing will change!
Yes I know that the WAG is poised to act but do we really want that? Surly it would be better to put people into place that can fight the next election and win, these people must be willing to commit to a very hard and long journey in bringing our beloved island back from the brink of the precipice.
I believe that the island future is golden if we embrace the one huge asset that we have that to date is by and large untouched ……..Visitors. "
Apart from some comic relief from one certain commenter, this thread has degraded into a mere slanging match between two rival camps. Despite accusations to the contrary I have no allegiance or preference for either side. However this not what what this blog is about -- therefore if it continues I will do something I have never had to do before: i.e. suspend all commenting on this thread.
druid , did u get mail via your contact form ? John ,
"I have no allegiance or preference for either side"
DRUID YOU ARE A LIAR , your actions speak louder than words .
Anon 10:41 - And what are my actions?
10:49 . Are you thick as well ? Anyone mention GWR and it's OK , it turns into an open day event . Mention RDJ and you hit the panic button , Why ?
Anon 10:49 - Scroll up and look at all the deleted comments. I would estimate 90% of them were deleted because they mentioned GWR.
11:22 . Take a look from the first post in this thread , then take a look at other threads . Rather Anti-GWR don't you think ? even you must be able to see that . Why don't you rename this blog from 'druids revenge' to the 'hate GWR association' . Are there no other councilors for you to have a go at ? (the time of the last post was 11:12 , 10:49 was your post)
Seeing I was the first to comment on this post, seeing that I have known Councillor Roberts for a very long time, I will reply as follows.
When you stand as a politician, when you claim what wonders you have achieved, you should not be afraid of criticism, a bit of backbone sometimes is required, see constant attacks against Ieuan Wyn Jones on this blog.
His argument may have been stronger had he been elected but seeing that no one stood against him for at least the last election that rather weakens that argument, and my contention that we should have a ‘none of the above option’ on a ballot
The Druids Blog is not anti GWR, as clearly shown below in the count of Druids tags
(2) Bangor (2) Carl Sargeant (2) Cliff Everett (2) Druid Stuff (2) Edwina Hart (2) Expenses (2) Gareth Winston Roberts (2) Goronwy Parry (2) John Chorlton (2) RAF Valley (2) Rugby (2) William Hughes (2) Adam Price
which is far below
Anglesey / Ynys Môn (98) Anglesey County Council (78) General Election (54) Plaid Cymru (52) Albert Owen (46) Labour (46) Ieuan Wyn Jones (34) Wylfa (25) Dylan Rees (24) Welsh Assembly Government (21) North Wales (19) David Bowles (18) Wales (18) Conservatives (17) Peter Rogers (17) Energy Policy (14) Economic Development (12) Lib Dems (12) Clive McGregor (10) Peter Hain (10) Polls (10) Anglesey Aluminium (9) Barrie Durkin
Someone protest too much me thinks….
another anon and me , why is it that when a poster says something you don't like you try to rubbish what they are saying ? is the purpose of this blog to bully and belittle the people of his island into another way of thinking . I have seen this a lot on here over the months !
Anon 11.40 - My original post sets out some facts:
1. GWR left the chamber before the Lein Amlwch vote
2. The other two members of Anglesey Forward also left the chamber
3. Two out of three Anglesey Forward members have been elected unopposed
4. Nobody from Anglesey Forward have responded in anyway to the People's Manifesto.
Its interesting that you think that is anti-GWR. If you do, then you tacitly agreeing that, for example, it was wrong for GWR not to vote on the Lein Amlwch vote. Anyway, I have set out the facts only, commenters can make up their own mind on how they chose to interpret them, which has led to the debate on this thread.
Hello Druid. I had read all the last 15 deleted post here on page two , 8 were deemed as spam / repeated posts 2 were more allegations of spam 1 edited and re-posted by your good self the rest all mentioned RDJ. is your estimate of "90%" correct ? Why do you edit out the content of these posts rather than delete them, is this to keep your post count artificially high ? maybe the auditor should look in to your figures !
I like posters I have many on my wall, especially one poster.
Sorry Anon 12:34 don’t worry how can I belittle you, I have no idea who you are, and who am I to criticise spelling and grammar when mine is bloody awful as well, as for the purpose of this blog well that’s for the Druid to respond it’s the Druids blog after all.
However, when someone says something I disagree with, especially when it is based on rubbish, then do not be surprised if I reply, for an argument after all you need two people.
To remind people this is now the ‘most popular posts’ ever on the Druid's blog.
I wonder if there’ll be a yearly award, what about it Druid..
"This year the award for most popular post of the year goes to..." you know like the alternatives to Oscars.
....all this from an alleged intelligent man who likes to talk to spiders, nothing wrong with your spelling and grammar my friend, I think it's your sense of humor you should be working on !
Very interesting post Druid @ 13:28. Thanks for posting the facts. Are you motives politically motivated against this group or an individual ? Did you attend the meeting yourself ?
Brining us back to the starting point of this post and the fair questions asked by the Druid which was if Cllr Gareth Winston Roberts OBE supported the re-opening of the railway line why did he not vote for it at the said meeting.
My sense of humour, yes bit weird isn’t it, not to everybody’s taste, oh well we live and learn.
re-posted as Druid has been on but chosen to ignore the questions.
Very interesting post Druid @ 13:28. Thanks for posting the facts. Are you motives politically motivated against this group or an individual ? Did you attend the meeting yourself ?
Anon 10:52 - In reply to your questions:
1. I am not in the least politically motivated against the group or individuals within it. I merely dislike councillors who do not consider the needs of their residents (see my criticism of Cllr William Hughes in Bodffordd for example). With regards to Anglesey Forward I don't think the fact two out of three of them were returned to the council unopposed is good for local democracy.
2. The fact that all members of Anglesey Forward left the chamber before the vote are not contested even by GWR, who in a Holyhead and Anglesey Mail article said he had to leave to attend another meeting.
"two out of three of them were returned to the council unopposed is good for local democracy."
Are councilors not allowed to stand if they are unopposed ? where is the democracy in that ?
Anon 12.33 - The problem is that all politician's should have to defend their record through an election process. This provides a strong feedback loop that helps them better understand what they have done well, and what they have done less well.
Anyway, because of the number of cllrs returned unopposed in the last local elections (not only from Anglesey Forward) I am a strong supported of the Boundary Commission's proposals to reduce the number of councillors.
I understand what your saying but you can't blame an individual if no one wants to stand against him/her/them , can you ? Not very democratic if you do !
As for boundaries, I think it's just moving goal posts to try and solve a problem rather than tackling it head on , would be interesting to know who thought of this.
Ordinary people usually are not inclined to stand against powerful (in all its meaning !) sitting members... who can be cruel bullies and devious in elections...playing dirty....who would want the pain.
And yes we know which sitting members we mean....and the pipe-puffer is but one.
Its a dirty game, as we see on this Blog.
15.15
It does not mean there are not ordinary but sufficiently strong-willed people in this Town who are not willing to take the pain.
In fact, there are, and there will be, when the time comes.
Bring it on.
it's not rocket science to see what's going on here !
20.23 What is going on is here is severe criticism of a local member who has singularly failed to serve the interests of his Ward and his people, to say the least....and the raising of awareness that he is not fit to hold public office, and should be replaced at the earliest opportunity.
Thats all.
We can see that his diminishing supporters are out !
I am not sure if there is any difference between Glob and Gobbledigook. Lein Amlwch ha ha.
I recently attended a splendid presentation with exceptional photographs on the subject The Railway to Red Wharf Bay. In its early days the line was commercially sound but the advent of Crissville Buses sounded the death knell.
So what is the point? Is it felt thousands and thousands of holidaymakers will be lining up for a ride, are the cruise ship passengers going to be bussed for a ride on it.
Druid how long have you lived in this 'area' of Ynys Môn ?
20.23. Ssh.....Druid lives in Maes Llwyn !
The Maes Llwyn enclave is not the vote stronghold our political friend thinks it is..........!!
I see that all the usual individuals, previously on Amlwch.Net, are again commenting about GWR. I note that comments about RDJ are removed.
RDJ is a publicity seeking councillor with very limited intelligence. He resigned from the Town Council allegedly because he was bullied. What kind of councillor cannot stand up for himself. The facts are that he was asked by the Council why he had given false information and almost immediately thereafter resigned. This is also the councillor that backed a motion depriving his own ward of £40,000.
If one has an intelligence deficit but is honest, the other has a moral deficit and flouts the Nolan principles...you work it out ?
Anon 8:47 - Rather missing the point, and returning to the original question posed by the Druid which was - why did Cllr Gareth Winston Roberts OBE not vote for the reopening of the Anglesey Central railway line. Maybe you have an answer for us?
Not sure what any other Councillor or their alleged actions has anything to do with this question. Unless it’s a cunning plan to get comments on this thread stopped, if it is seems it’s not working.
Lastly and seeing you mentioned it, maybe you could explain why Amlwch.Net was closed down?
"returning to the original question posed" "maybe you could explain why Amlwch.Net was closed down?" Make your mind up for god sake 10:20, do you want to stay on topic or go off it . lol
Druid I can understand that some posts need removing but why do you edit them out rather than delete them altogether ? Not just on this topic , all topics , it looks crap !
What is happening here is the diminishing crony base of the politically isolated and highly toxic pipe-puffer desperately deflecting attention away from justified criticisms of their Nolan-deficient man, to the neighbouring Councillor....obvious !
For all you naysayers here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11658206
Look and Learn.
"....received permission from Anglesey Council to run tourist steam trains along the track"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northwestwales/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_9151000/9151143.stm
Hi there, i am cuurently in my 3rd of Geography BSC at Bangor university, for my final project i am researching into the possibility of the implemenetation of the Lein Amlwch and how it may benfit the island as a whole, if anybody would like to have a chat about the rail line and its possible economic activity i would be very keen to do so!? my email is tcu803@bangor.ac.uk please dont hesitate to email me with any opinions on the matter. thank you. Robert Caesar
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